Curse

tmakinen · Sep 28, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

I see several possible solutions. First, it's possible to crank up passive defense and withstand silly amounts of damage, especially if you have real people properly chaining imbalanced PvE skills. Failing that, hit and run is a tried and true tactic against the AI. You just have to find out how far the mobs are willing to get pulled and then fight at that edge, making them run back and forth instead of beating you.

My default tactic is to have a wall of bone/jagged horrors between the monsters and my party, then once the monsters get stuck to it use AoE to flatten them (a combination of physical and elemental damage, conditions and hexes). It has the added benefit of making disengagement much easier if necessary.

Gore · Sep 28, 2007, 10:01 AM // 10:01

1 - read enemy skill

2 - Counter enemy skills

3 - Analiation of red dots

AKA....FSoil + EOE are your best friends

AKA...make 3 Promess nuker

AKA...3h or less for all 5 area

Peace

SotiCoto · Sep 28, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by Longasc

1.) Frozen Soil. But take in mind, it is a double-edged sword

Lively Was Naomei?

Problem solved.

Horseman Of War · Sep 28, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

im also a paragon player, i go henchway on the first two dungeons in less than an hour, and forgewight is cake if you have a human team.

I would just like to point out the skill HOLY SPEAR and how awesome it is in slaver's exile.

Also, like soticoto says: naomi doesnt care about no frozen soil.

SotiCoto · Sep 28, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Also, like soticoto says: naomi doesnt care about no frozen soil.

Death is a very brief inconvenience for a Naomei holder... or anyone else dead in their immediate vicinity.
It probably would help to use "We Shall Return!" though IF IT WORKS (I haven't tested it, to be honest)... for maximum health. No energy supplied... but that isn't so important if you come back with full health and the incentive to leg it.

semantic · Sep 30, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

I H/H'ed the first 2 dungeons with my Ranger and the following:

Kahmu on Av of Balth (with me adding Great Dwarf Weapon for KD Derv PWNGE)
Whispers with Icy Veins + Putrid Bile + Putrid Explosion (with assorted other hexes - Hexer's Vigor makes a Death/Curses nec viable)
Razah as Resto/Commu

Had to switch up Whispers for Gwen in Forgewight.

Only Chained Clerics seem to have hex removal, so that's a pretty effective way to go.

[EDIT] Question: If LB Gaze works on Stone Summit here, doest that mean having LB title active grants dmg reduction and bonus?

Citadel Runner · Oct 01, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

For all the people that answered this with suggestions, tips, and hints, congrats and you guys are awesome.

For all the people that answered this with "Its not hard, I did it in XX minutes". Comon man. Who cares?

Another tip is that Obsidian Flesh is not very useful in Duncan dungeon. Sorry, its just plain not. A Level 4 or higher Ursan Tank, with wards to lay down prior to using Ursan, is much more effective. Especially if he knows the exact spots to tank.

I'd like to add that I have found the most effective build to be: 1 Warrior Ursan tank, 3 Elementalist Nukers, 2 Necros (1 SV, 1SS), and 2 Monks. I think a Dervish Or Assasin could also act as Ursan Tank. Obviously there are other builds, and since a knowledagble team of 6 can do this quickly, any other build could be put in place of the second necro, or third Ele.

semantic · Oct 01, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Just wanted to clear this up: Lightbringer does confer damage bonus (so I assume also reduction) vs. Stone Summit in Slaver's. Verified with Needling Shot 2 minutes ago.

rez anubis · Oct 01, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

all of slavers exile is so easy its just you have to find all of the tricks in each level that make it easy, even with mostly hero groups.
i solo duncan=))

the way i did it with a few of my guildies + heros was that i was a 55/85/105 necro with sv and SoS. the monks kept prot spirit and heal on me. the trick was that there is a corner under the stairs that the spirits will always miss you but duncan can still cast his spells. my ranger guildie sent his pet in there and let it die and that was it. our whole team just sat out or range while i soloed dunkan =)).

bungusmaximus · Oct 02, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Question to all of you, does any build work in slaver's or do you really need such a retarded warrior tank? I got myself kicked out of 3 groups yesterday because my warrior didn't have obsidian flesh :P. It's not the first skill I would cap on a warrior anyways because warriors are supposed to kill stuff. Is Slaver's already spoilt by the cookie cut mentality or are there also teams that use other builds then tank->nuke->etc?

Seriously, they wanted me to take all kinds of 'yuck' skills like dolyak signet, signet of stamina and other blabla that doesn't belong on a proper warrior ^^

Antheus · Oct 02, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

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Question to all of you, does any build work in slaver's or do you really need such a retarded warrior tank? I got myself kicked out of 3 groups yesterday because my warrior didn't have obsidian flesh :P. It's not the first skill I would cap on a warrior anyways because warriors are supposed to kill stuff. Is Slaver's already spoilt by the cookie cut mentality or are there also teams that use other builds then tank->nuke->etc?

Holy trinity groups don't work without tank/nuke approach, since everything and everyone in backline is pure damage, no utility, no survivability. If tank loses agro, wipe and restart.

So, yes. You do need to be a obs tank.

But a tank isn't needed in there, nor is melee or any kind of other extreme builds. Even FS is purely optional. FS is used by nuking groups, since they have one-shot nuke. If that fails, then entire group will be idling for next 30-60 seconds, waiting for recharge.

A KD warrior would do just fine to shutdown the rezzers in those dungeons.

bungusmaximus · Oct 02, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Holy trinity groups don't work without tank/nuke approach, since everything and everyone in backline is pure damage, no utility, no survivability. If tank loses agro, wipe and restart.

So, yes. You do need to be a obs tank.

But a tank isn't needed in there, nor is melee or any kind of other extreme builds. Even FS is purely optional. FS is used by nuking groups, since they have one-shot nuke. If that fails, then entire group will be idling for next 30-60 seconds, waiting for recharge.

A KD warrior would do just fine to shutdown the rezzers in those dungeons.

Yeah you make sense. It's the kind of thing that happened in DOA when I did that with my ele. Only a little thing had to go wrong and everyone was dead in a blink of an eye. Really weak builds imho, and very unfun to play (some people have their imagination surgically removed, too bad).

yesitsrob · Oct 02, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

I think when I did it we carefully charged into 3 groups and didn't see the difficulty. Is this the same kind of impossible as the so-called impossible that is Shards of Orr

Crom The Pale · Oct 02, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

you do not need an Obsidian Flesh tank, but you do need a tank that can hold some agro and survive.

Signet of stamina is a great skill for a war, just pair it with Ursa Blessing and only use the skills, youll never land a hit so it stayes up and you deal out nice dmg + aoe knockdown.

yesitsrob · Oct 02, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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you do not need an Obsidian Flesh tank, but you do need a tank that can hold some agro and survive.

no you don't. lol bad groups are bad

semantic · Oct 02, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

I've H/H'ed all the way to Duncan, and I can guarantee I wouldn't get into a 'group' with the bar I'm running on my Ranger. /shrug

And even though I've had Kahmu along for the ride, I'm not using him as a tank. Every melee is fluid. If I overaggro, I wipe and go back. But I always finish with morale boost. Well, Lina might have a little DP. Might take longer, but it's fun.

RazorEdge · Oct 04, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Just did Duncan with my monk and H/H. I discovered something intresting regarding the Restless Deads.

Was running a spiritbond tank myself, while a hero had smites on me (retribution & holy wrath). Before aggroing/sweeping for those restless popups, cast Spell breaker. They will basically use up all their energy on trying to cast Shadow prison/nec spells on you. Then proceed to wand you, thus dying from the smites.

Was the first time I tried this tactic there, and it's by far the fastest/safest run I've done down there yet. Get a necro with putrid explosion tho, otherwise you might get a nasty suprise in form of Well of Profane. Not a major issue tho. Only ever died once up by duncan, bacause of spirits mainly.

I just gotta remember to pack swap next time. Didn't get a chance to test spirit bonding vs duncan as I had a nasty spiritspawn. But I hear it works. Had a SV necro along, just incase tho. :P

(Hero/Hench list if anyone's intrested; Monk-smiter with SoJ for me, SS, SV with fs. Then Menhlo, Lina, Herta & Eve)

GloryFox · Oct 04, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

I had posted here some days ago.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10204668

However Celestial Beaver posted a link to this thread and I wanted to add to the conversation with my .02 cents as I believe this adds to the overall discussion.

I had an interesting situation the other day. My Ritualist was having a difficult time getting into a group to kill Duncan. I was having a difficult go at H&H all by myself so I chose to join a PUG (no guildies available for Duncan). I noticed that quite a few teams were advertising for a SV/SoS necro with no success. Since I know how to cap this Elite with ease I immediately went and capped the skill Spoil Victor and grabbed the sun spear skill Necrosis. Since I was already Sun Spear 10 I knew 90 points of damage was more than enough to kill off Duncan when Spoil Victor ends.

With hope I returned to Umberal Grotto and begin advertising myself as a Spoil Victor Necrosis Ritualist. (Keep in mind that the same groups that were LF SV/SoS earlier were still looking for one.) I was denied several groups and as usual called a noob for not having SoS and being a Ritualist and NOT a Necromancer with SV/SoS.

My build was the following
Channeling 16
Blood 12
Spawning 4

Blood Song
PvE Vamperism
Painful Bond
PvE Summon Spirits
Spoil Victor (Hex Spell 95 damage at 14, 85 without AtB)
PvE Necrosis (90 damage if hexed or under a condition)
Awaken the Blood
Flesh of my Flesh (Res)

Eventually someone did pick me up.
We ran in and worked our way to Duncan as usual, killed Duncan with ease (the warrior did not have to die) got the treasure in about 15-20 minutes then returned only to see the same groups.

"GLF SV/SoS for Duncan."

Yes the same groups that denied me admittance before (called me a noob etc) were still anal about allowing someone else (non Necro’s) running SV for Duncan. Because they said it was faster to go with a Necro … who does an average of 20 more damage than other classes.

What does this teach you?
1) You do not have to be a Necromancer primary to kill Duncan with SV. Assassins, or any other spell casting class can run SV at 12 and still be formidable. Any profession is fine as long as they get the spell on him with Blood at 12 with an alternate way of damaging him once his health is below 500 hit points.
2) Time is money and in the defense of time, sometimes as a PUG you need to improvise to get the job done. Duncan is not that hard and having another class even a Dervish can provide a good alternative to a necromancer for killing Duncan.
3) Necromancers are not the end all be all for killing Bosses with SV/ SoS, the damage of Necrosis is high enough that anyone can run it without Being a necromancer primary.

So here are some questions to consider.
1) What other options are good for killing Duncan, if there is no SV/SoS currently available?
2) Should you wait for a SV/SoS Necro?
3) How long should you wait until you find a SV/SoS Necro if you chose to wait for one?
4) Are you willing to take someone like my Ritualist with SV/Necrosis or even a Dervish with, SV/Necrosis? If not Why Not, please explain?
5) What about a Paragon or an extra Warrior with Ursan or Volfen Blessing at Norn Rank 5 if there is no SV currently available that day?

therangereminem · Oct 04, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Gore

1 - read enemy skill

2 - Counter enemy skills

3 - Analiation of red dots

AKA....FSoil + EOE are your best friends

AKA...make 3 Promess nuker

AKA...3h or less for all 5 area

Peace

there yougo trying to turn duncun into mallyx/goa you dont need nukers atall never did but if youwant to use nukers thats fine to there is tons of ways to beat duncun and the other bosses with and with out eles i did duncun without a warrior a couple of times. in fect the easyest way is smits sv/av spirtshackels and famine so 4 pople in a group can beat any of the bosses with no issues. adding the 4 other pople just make s it go by alot faster

oh fastest wyto kill duncun 1o min(whole thing not just duncun) with smits and spirtshackles also a emer can take out duncun one on one very fast also

Carboplatin · Oct 04, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

there yougo trying to turn duncun into mallyx/goa you dont need nukers atall never did but if youwant to use nukers thats fine to there is tons of ways to beat duncun and the other bosses with and with out eles i did duncun without a warrior a couple of times. in fect the easyest way is smits sv/av spirtshackels and famine so 4 pople in a group can beat any of the bosses with no issues. adding the 4 other pople just make s it go by alot faster

oh fastest wyto kill duncun 1o min(whole thing not just duncun) with smits and spirtshackles also a emer can take out duncun one on one very fast also

while i do agree with some of your points, slow down your typing. i am usually not a grammar nazi, but your posts are hard to read. I am not talking about spelling, use commas and spacing it helps. To answer what you asked in the other thread of mine that got locked. Weapon of Remedy is what the third number is.